Birther Madness Infects NBC’s Chicago Affiliate … NOT!
I’ve been attacked by some pretty hyperactive sodomites, and Marxist’s before, but never by an Anteater, this has to be a first.
If you don’t believe me, or think I’m joking, just go to the web site of Attorney, David von Ebers: http://davescornertavern.blogspot.com/, and view the resemblance between Dave, sporting a debonair goatee, and an Anteater.
It appears that attorney Dave is a busy body with too much time on his hands, and he’s out to confirm Michael Savages philosophy about Liberalism being a mental disorder.
Proof of this can be found on his web site home page right under his comical photograph. A caption states that he is a proud liberal, and to me, that is like stating that you are proud to be in your third stage of Syphilis, but to digress from Dave’s dementia, he attacked me for voicing my opinion over Barack Obama’s eligibility to be the president of the United States on NBC television, a few weeks ago.
The day that Barack Obama finally produced a birth certificate, which a lot of people claim it to be, a fraudulent document. On that day, I received a call from NBC reporter, Mr. Jeffrey Goldblatt, to ask what I thought about the news?
I know Mr. Goldblatt casually, over the past few years he had interviewed me a few times, and he knew that I had interviewed several attorney’s who had challenged Obama’s eligibility, or had cases pending in court, on my award winning, local radio show.
I like Jeffrey Goldblatt, although I find that he embraces a Liberal philosophy, he never let’s that get in the way of an interview. He has always been fair, and allows the person being interviewed to voice their opinion like a true journalist, unbiased, and dealing with the facts at hand.
Apparently Old Dave took some time away from his keyboard foolery, to watch the ten o’clock news, where Jeffrey Goldblatt gave his report about Obama releasing his birth certificate, and a 10 or 15 second rebuttal by me, a common citizen, Vietnam veteran with some skin in the game, giving my opinion to balance out the story, and this caused old goatee boy to go ballistic.
It never fails, the first thing that these slimy little rodents do to cover for their corrupt leaders, is to attack the messenger, and distort the facts with their retarded logic.
Naturally this little turd called me a litany of derogatory names, which I last heard being used to address shyster lawyers, and politicians, but that is to be expected from a loser who is trying to hide the real issue, in this case, Obama’s eligibility.
von Ebers self-portrait
To make a long story short, Dave called NBC to voice his disdain, than twittered his stubby finger tips down to the bone, trying to alert his repugnant cohorts to boycott NBC and get Jeffrey Goldblatt fired, for having me, a racist he claimed, instead of having Alan Dershowitz, or Lanny Davis, perpetuating this charade to shield the usurper sitting in the White House.
He went on calling me a racist and disparaging me and the readers of the Federal Observer, like the little bitch that most Liberal’s are inclined to be.
This guy is really dumb, he doesn’t know how close I am to him. He resides in Oak Park, Illinois, a Chicago suburb right next to where I have my business for the past 20 some years. It is the Greater Austin, West Garfield neighborhood which recently claimed the title of the city’s most murderous neighborhood, surpassing Englewood, (Obama’s old state senatorial district) which held that title for several years.
For the past 20 years I have been hiring my employees out of that neighborhood, I shop there, spend my money there, and use the services provided in that neighborhood. I’d be willing to bet a lot of money that the people in that neighborhood would consider von Ebers a trouble maker … and also being full of bullshit.
Maybe we should have an NBC poll done on who is the real racist, me, or the Anteater?
Getting back to the Dave, I really feel sorry for this guy, he tried to explain Article II and showed that he was a neophyte when it comes to explaining the law. He should lobby Washington to get his student loan back, unless of course, he bought his degree off of the Internet, or had the same party who drew up Obama’s counterfeit birth certificate, forge him a degree.
In short, Dave claims that Obama is a citizen and he is qualified to be POTUS because all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; are citizens … period!
Nothing about natural born citizenship, he doesn’t distinguish between natural born and naturalized.
Whether he does know, or not, (probably not) we know that he and his squishy ilk, doesn’t want anybody to know the truth. The Progressive Movement and the destruction of the United States is at risk if the truth were known about who is complicit in this crime on the people, or the billions of dollars at stake for the parasitic shyster lawyers sucking out of the public trough … when they are not sucking in other places.
The attorney’s who filed law suits against Obama’s eligibility are serious. They are not joking, they’re patriots who believe in the rule of law, not anarchy.
"I come ready!"
Even if the birth certificate which Barack Obama spent nearly $2 Million dollars in legal fees to conceal, were authentic, a real document, it proves that Obama is not an Article II “Natural Born Citizen,”a child born in the United States or it’s jurisdictional equivalent to United States Parents, such as in the case of Senator John McCain.
This means that the Natural Born Citizen child, inherits his or her allegiance, and U.S. Citizenship from being born to U.S. parents and from being born on U.S. soil rather than acquiring them from a positive law which is what a naturalized citizen does.
This positive law naturalizes a person to be a U.S. citizen at birth, when he, or she, is born abroad to one or two U.S. citizen parents, or born in the U. S. to one or two alien parents.
Obama’s father was born in 1934 or 1936 in the British Colony of Kenya.
Under the British Nationality Act of 1948, he was born a British citizen, under the United Kingdom Colonies.
He came to the United States on a temporary student visa to study.
When Barack was born, his father was a British citizen, and under the same Act, Barack Obama inherited from his father, British citizenship.
Obama, if born in Hawaii, therefore did not inherit his U.S. Citizenship from his natural parents but rather acquired it by positive law, ie.,the 14th Amendment, or 8 U.S.C. Section 1401 (a), which naturalizes persons who are born in the United States but lack two U.S. citizen parents to be U.S. Citizens at birth, hence, Obama can be a citizen under the 14th Amendment, or 8 U.S.C. Section 1401(a) but he is not an Article II Section, two natural born citizen, as required by our founders as a condition of allegiance.
Therefore, Obama is not eligible to be the President of The United States, nor the Commander In Chief of our military forces.
Obama and von Ebers are losers, and everything will come out in the wash, as my dear old granny used to say.
Obama will probably be heading off to the slammer to join his felonious buddies, Tony Rezko and Stuart Levin, while the Anteater seeks new employment.
I can’t imagine this parasite having enough clients to make a living off of, so I suggest that he hauls his ambulance chasing ass over to the Mr. Leather Contest, to drum up some personal injury business … or better yet … draw a bulls eye around his goatee on his web site picture with the caption, “Open For Business.”
May 22, 2011
~ About the Author ~
Federal Observer contributing columnist Rick Biesada hosts Perspectives On Our Heritage – The Angry White Male Hour over Radio Station WJJG 1530 AM, Chicago’s Hometown station, Wednesdays from 4:00 to 5:00 PM Central Time, which can now be heard LIVE on the net at http://www.wjjgam1530.com. Rick is the co-founder of The Chicago Minuteman Project.
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State of Hawaii stated “On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.”
more details at gov site
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html
The only US American side of that ‘Mullatto’ Hussein O. is from his mother’s side and her parents side… IE: the White Side
No proud Black American with this one.
Thanks Louie, Granny, Hippie, and Ring a Ling. It looks like this was a fruitful hunting expedition, better than the Mr. Leather Contest, as we drew most of the Saul Alinsky students, cockroaches, parasites, hermaphrodites, and toothless Chris out of the woodwork, and trash cans, where they reside when they are not temporarily employed by ACORN, or other anti American subversive mobs. It doesn’t matter how you respond, or what you say, it is never good enough for these critters because they are the enemy, our natural born enemy, more treacherous than the Viet Cong because they walk among us, and mooch off of the earners of our society.
Usually I don’t read this tripe because I have more important things to do with my time InviQtus, but what I stated in my article stands on it’s own merit, you just don’t want to acknowledge the original intent of the founders regarding natural born citizenship, a condition written into the United States Constitution, particularly for the office of the Presidency.
“Natural Born,” according to Thomas Jefferson in 1823: On every question of construction, carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one which it was passed.
When writing the Constitution the founding fathers used the definition of “Natural born,” provided by Vattles Law of Nations. Part I Chapter 19, Section 212; look it up Einstein.
Joel Lessing of Forest Park, I value your constructive criticism of my grammer, and free legal advice.
What you don’t understand is that I have been afflicted by the phenomenon of “Intellectual Grammer,” a condition common among professors whose brain moves so quickly it doesnt keep up with the writing. Similar to O’Bama’s conditon of stammering, and stuttering, when he’s not reading from a Teleprompter. You gave me a brilliant idea though, in the future perhaps I can submit my excellent articles using Obama’s electric pen.
I appreciate your concern, but if you really wanted to help humanity, try your tutoring skill on Mayor Daley, or Jessie Jackson. Also, implying that a person has an STD in Illinois constitues libel, per se,would depend on that statements truth, but trying to equate libel out of a satirical analogy of the statement “Proud liberal,” to my opinion of a person being proud that he has syphillis of the brain, would be quite a stretch even for a Clinton, or Obama, appointed judge to make.
You seem to be under the impression that the Republican Party has a silver bullet for our problems. If that were true how come they haven’t done anything worthwhile in decades? When they had control of all three branches they didn’t bust a grape. If they wanted to solve any problems they could have, and would have, your comment about independents is a moot issue.
Barry Goldwater was the last conservative leader worth his salt. Ever since they vilified him his party got weak kneed and hasn’t recovered since. We need American patriots in public office, look how they just re-districted Illinois and nullified last Novembers election. The 19 Republican Central Committemen are trying to out liberal the Democrats.They are one and the same with different name brands.
My comments are meant to inspire these feckless Republican’s to acquire some resolve, not bend over and drop their pants every time a Democrat opens their mouth, like Chris.
I’ve spent more than enough of my valuable time trying to respond to the haters who wouldn’t give me the right time of day, but that’s okay, we know what time it is and this is a two way street.
To my friends I wish you a Happy Memorial Day. I salute the people who sacrificed their lives to secure our liberty, and allowed us the freedom to voice our opinions. This is the only country that allows us protection of speech; albeit limited, because of some of the Nazi’s who post on this board and think that free speech only applies to their disfunctional screed.
Well said, rick and thank you for your service. Semper fi!
“…what I stated in my article stands on it’s own merit, you just don’t want to acknowledge the original intent of the founders regarding natural born citizenship, a condition written into the United States Constitution, particularly for the office of the Presidency.”
The Law of Nations is one important piece of information to consider, and it was considered, along with much else, in US v. Wong Kim Ark, which is the Supreme Court case that is most relevant to Obama’s legitimacy. And, again, the Constitution does not define natural born citizenship so it falls to the courts to determine just what exactly it means. Granite has done an excellent job explaining all this further below. You may want to read what he has written. The fact remains that the central assertion of your essay is false.
By golly Rick I believe you dropped the payload on the target this time! Look at all the flak! The damn comment section looks like “Ricochet Central.” I salute you Sir!
What is there to salute? His central theme of the article (that even if Obama was born in Hawaii, he is still not a natural born citizen) was shown to be false and he hasn’t even tried to defend it.
David, you’re fucking right, I lack compassion and I don’t need a lecture from you. If you’ve got a retarded kid, he must have inherited it from you.
So we should blame your parents then?
I’m interested in how your argument about how parents being required to nbe US citizens might apply to George Washington and other early residents of the 13 colonies…ALL of whose parents were presumably born in “another” country since the “United States” did not exist at the time of their parents’ birth. Was George Washington eligible to be president?
Anyway, on a more general note, thanks for keeping this tomfoolery going. You are the perfect shill and your constant agitation in this matter is sure to drive independents away from any potential Republican nominee–thus clearing the way for President Obama’s re-election.
Oh, and by the way…implying that a person has syphilis or another STD in Illinois constitutes libel per se and opens you up to potential litigation. Not a smart idea, actually! /Joel Lessing Forest Park, Illinois.
Joel, the idiocy of some people never ceases to amaze me. Please listen carefully. Take out your uS constitution and turn to Article 2 section 1 and read the requirements to be President. I hope it will then solve any confusion on your part. No need to thank me, sir.
The constitution does not define natural born citizenship.
I guess you don’t know how to read either, do you?
Hippybiker, the constitution says you have to BE a natural born citizen to be eligible for the presidency. It does not DEFINE what exactly a natural born citizen is. If I’m wrong prove me wrong by quoting from the constitution where natural born citizen is defined. If you can’t do that then you should apologize for being a prick. Now go do your homework.
That wasn’t question, Ass Hole Eyes!
“Inviqtus, I hate to say this but, I feel you are being redundant. The facts from many experts have been all over the Alternate Media. Did you think that any of the Lame Stream Media would report any finding not to their liking about Obama?”
One can find “experts” in the “alternate media” with “facts” about anything. However, when most every major news organization from across the political spectrum investigate an issue and are in agreement about it, this is ONE strong line of evidence for it’s truth.
“I’m originally from Illinois, and I know who Obama is and where he came from. I don’t trust him as far as I can throw him.”
Yes, you have told me this before. You are from Illinois and so you know Obama’s soul. I really don’t give a fuck where you are from. It’s irrelevant to the discussion.
And, yes, you are right! I mistakenly thought you were trying to deal with the central issue. You are correct that the Article 2 section I says that those who are citizens at the time of the adoption of the constitution. You get a pat on the head. But we all make mistakes from time to time, Hippybiker. Your parents clearly did.
So kind. At least I know who my father was.
The people born in America, the 13 original colonies, regarded themselves as American citizens from the time of the Declaration of Independence. In other words, the reason for the Grandfather Clause in Article II is not because George Washington and Benjamin Franklin regarded themselves as British. It was to allow someone who was not born in the 13 colonies to be eligible. And the main person who they considered was Alexander Hamilton, who was born on the British Caribbean Island of Nevis. Also, James Wilson, a member of the Constitutional Convention, born in Scotland.
It is a birther/two-fer notion that the framers of the US Constitution thought of themselves as being British. I do not know why think this, but it is not true.
First, there is the historical evidence of how the phrase Natural Born Citizen was used at the time. Here is an example from 1803:
“Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
As you can see, the example shows that Americans already regarded themselves as being Natural Born in 1803 if they were born in a state, or before that, in a colony that became a state.
Then, there is the example of other colonies that became independent. When Ireland, India, Israel, Canada, Australia became independent from Britain, the people born in those countries did not regard themselves as British after the independence, they regarded themselves as automatically, at birth, citizens of Ireland, Australia, etc.
Now that that is clear, it can also be seen that the Grandfather Clause of Article II is a powerful argument against birther/two-fers. That is because in order to make Hamilton and Wilson eligible, the writers of the US Constitution had to make a lot of other men eligible too, other men who had not been born in America and whose parents were not US citizens. There has been some historical research that as many as 60,000 such men (and only men were likely to be elected in those days) became eligible because of the grandfather clause. Well, 60,000 men is a lot when America had only a couple of million people total. Yet American leaders took the chance because they regarded Alexander Hamilton and James Wilson as very valuable assets.
But, by taking a chance, the writers showed that they were really not terribly worried about the risk of foreign influence. To be sure, they were worried to some extent–that is the reason to specify Natural Born Citizen. But Natural Born Citizen could hardly mean the absolute ban on children of foreigners born in America if the writers of the Constitution were willing to allow for a few decades or more men who were not born in the 13 colonies and whose parents were also not US citizens to be president.
By the way, one of the presidents who birthers and two-fers say would not have been eligible after the expiration of the grandfather clause was Andrew Jackson, the victor of the Battle of New Orleans, Old Hickory. Birthers/two-fers say that he would not be eligible for president today because although he was born in one of the 13 colonies, neither of his parents were US citizens. We anti-birthers hold that Andrew Jackson was a Natural Born Citizen under the definition of Natural Born Citizen of Tucker, shown above, and that of Meese, shown below, and others.
Dave von Ebers is a God Damned Obamanunistofascist http://is.gd/BN3BHc
Bravo, you’ve established that you’re a racist. The Fourteenth Amendment is the law of the land. It’s not what you can argue, it’s what you can argue without being laughed out of the room.
You say it’s not because he’s black, it’s because his father was African, which we all know to be true because (wait for it!) he’s black. But it’s not racial at all! Right. We get it. You’re just dancing on legal mumbo-jumbo to make it sound like you’re saying anything else. Dr. Laura isn’t the first person to lose their job for saying what you’re desperately trying not to say.
I read the birther arguments — I really do — and I keep coming across the feeling that another word is pressing at your lips: “bastard.”
As in “illegitimate.” You keep saying it; I think you mean it. But I do not think it means what you think it means. It is racist. But you know who should feel upset most, though? Hawai’ians.
Meanwhile, the president is drinking beer with Irish relatives and speaking Gaelic. That’s another word birthers keep implying or using: “foreign.” As in, not American, or not really American, or not red-blooded American, or something ludicrous. It has jumped the shark into self-parody.
You also can’t stand that he’s smart and talented enough to learn to properly pronounce a few words of Gaelic. Or Arabic. That word nagging your teeth is “elite.” Go ahead; say it. The shocking and awful thing about birthers is that they would make Ayn Rand spit out her cigarette and shake her fist. She and Reagan do have some interesting children. (I mean that in the metaphorical sense; I don’t need a birth certificate for modern conservatism to prove it, do I?)
Proudly white radio loves Mr Biesada too http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t595621/
Obamunists may hate Mr. Biesada, but the proudly white patriots at Stormfront love him. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t691063/
That is as a dumb of a comment as, “Black radio loves Obama.” That seems to me to be about as “racist” (American version) of a comment as I have heard.
Tune in to his program on Wednesdays at 4:00 p.m. central time and see just how “racist” you think his program is. Better yet – read his book, so that you understand more about the man. Or is that beyond your abilities – to read something that might not suit your taste?
Well, Publisher, I don’t know how to respond. One can only have a tremendous amount of proudly Aryan respect for someone like you who has the guts to write: “Hamilton was a rat from the get go. His real name was Alexander Levine; the son of a Jew” http://www.federalobserver.com/2011/01/16/alexander-hamilton%E2%80%99s-true-identity/
OOPS – well – almost. You see – I didn’t write it. I just published information, which I happen to have been aware of for over two decades. Anything I write is under the heading, “Without Apology”.
Forgive me for my mistake. You only published it.
You only published: “Hamilton was a rat from the get go. His real name was Alexander Levine; the son of a Jew” That makes a world of difference.
Hamilton was a “Rat.” Thats why Arron Burr Capped his Ass!
That’s it Slime Ball! If you knew Rick like some of us know him, you would eat your words. In essence….You suck!
What wrong with being proud to be White, Shit for Brains? “White Pride World Wide!” Has a nice ring to it.
It’s a completely arbitrary attribute that you had nothing to do with. So being proud of that would be stupid and pointless. I’m sure that won’t stop you though.
Granny wrote- “When people can’t logically debate an ISSUE – they throw out the RACE card.”
Well, race is one reason someone might not be thinking logically. Personally I think only a small percentage of people who buy into birther conspiracy theories do so because they are racists. I suspect it has to do more with anti-liberal bias of the sort many conservative commentators have been pedaling for years. If someone is identified as a liberal they must be fundamentally evil and surreptitiously trying to undermine American values. And if someone who is identified as a liberal is elected president they must be illegitimate in some way. The current state of political discourse in this country is not very conducive to reasonable, dispassionate, rational dialog.
As a general rule, though, I think you can (and should) argue against birther ideas without resorting to charges of racism.
Mr self imposed lack of intellect…
Those of us who demand that the FRAUD produce HIS PAPERS are not *birthers* as you and other less than intelligent individuals call us – We are, in reality, VERIFIERS. We simply want to VERIFY that the FRAUD is legally eligible to sit in OUR oval Office,.
Why does that bother so many so much? Do you get as hot and bothered when someone demands you produce YOUR papers – drivers license if you are stopped for some traffic infraction? Or how about renting a video?
Why is the simple asking for this FRAUD to prove he is legally eligible to enter the Oval Office considered RACIST? Is it because that is the only argument those folks can come up with because the FRAUD happens to be HALF Black?
Does every Black person who is asked to produce their papers get off the hook under the argument that the one who asks is RACIST? That is the ONLY debate that has entered the topic of the FRAUD sealing off his PAPERS. If he has nothing to hide then why can’t he produce a birth certificate that isn’t photo shopped? If any other person did that they would be sitting in the local grey bar hotel for FRAUD.
It’s been verified. Those who still don’t accept it are called birthers.
verified?? Verified to be a counterfeit – photo shopped – It has been verified to be FALSE and not the REAL original long form birth certificate.
You are correct – it has been *verified* verified to be FRAUDULENT.
Do you use a white cane when you walk around?
Verified to be false by whom, granny?
Inviqtus, I hate to say this but, I feel you are being redundant. The facts from many experts have been all over the Alternate Media. Did you think that any of the Lame Stream Media would report any finding not to their liking about Obama?
I’m originally from Illinois, and I know who Obama is and where he came from. I don’t trust him as far as I can throw him.
Obama was born in Hawaii, as his two Hawaii birth certificates, the confirmation of three Republican officials in Hawaii, and the notices in the Hawaii newspapers of his birth in 1961 all show. There is also the absence of any US travel document showing that Obama traveled from a foreign country to the USA in 1961. I am referring to either a US visa or for him to have been entered on his mother’s US passport. Either of which, or the applications for them, would have been found in the eight years in which the Republicans were in charge of the US State Department.
Several prominent experts quoted by Conservative news organizations and magazines say that the birth certificate was NOT forged.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert...
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-l...
“The attorney’s who filed law suits against Obama’s eligibility are serious. They are not joking, they’re patriots who believe in the rule of law, not anarchy.”
Well said. I’d proudly hire Orly Taitz to defend a bicuspid any day.
I’m assuming you accept John McCain’s birth in the Panama Canal Zone as acceptable.
Do you really think McCain wouldn’t have raised an objection if he believed that Barack Obama was not eligible to be our president?
Being from Arizona, I think that I am in a better position than most to comment on him than many. I never liked him, never trusted him, nor ever voted for him – BUT – as his father was a member of the US Military and serving in the Canal at the time of Juan McCain’s birth – he is automatically granted US Citizenship, as the law considers that, any US military (in this case, naval) post is considered “US soil”.
JC, I just recognized your moniker. Excuse my comment. It should have been addressed to the Blog writer.
Get your head examined, before making an even bigger fool of yourself but showing your complete lack of knowledge in a public forum. It’s not attractive. Neither is your “manly” photograph. My gay neighbors also like to pose proudly on their big Harleys. Both have extremely small dicks!
Interesting… phallic reference.
Been peaking again, huh?
A couple of points:
1) Dehumanizing people because you disagree with them does not make you more right. It makes you look foolish. Calling people ‘rodents,’ etc. because you disagree with their politics isn’t just unhelpful, it’s destructive.
2) As the parent of a severely disabled child, your use of the word ‘retarded’ as an insult is, in and of itself, insulting. It shows a further lack of compassion for, and understanding of, other people. Especially people who may be different from you. If you can’t make your point without insulting people, especially at the expense of those least able to defend themselves, then you really don’t have much of an argument to make. You’re just being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole.
3) On your birther argument: Does it strike you as at all odd to argue against “Anchor babies” (you know, those born here of illegal immigrants that are, by birth, US Citizens even thought their parents are illegals) and at the same time argue that Barack Obama is NOT a citizen because BOTH his parents weren’t US citizens? Those two arguments are mutually exclusive. You can’t make them both. At least not if you want to be even remotely intellectually honest.
4) Stick to radio. You can’t write your way out of a wet paper bag. Learn basic English grammar and punctuation. You know, learn English.
PSA about using the word “retard”
Whoops. Here’s the url http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T549VoLca_Q
Birthers are either racists or nutters. After reading this I can only assume you are both.
Once again, another idiot, who refuses to ever ask questions, but just buys into the BS emanating from the orifices of others. Do you believe EVERYTHING coming from the pen and mouths of the media? Do you not have a mind of your own to question the validity of everything you are told? Did you really buy into the “birth certificate” released after two and one half years by “the One”?
Besides, a “racist” is one who is proud of and promotes his/her own race. Only in America, does the word “racist” have the negative connotations, which people like you place upon it. Oh, that’s right! You were TOLD what a racist was by… oh forget it – you’ll never understand anyway.
No, a racist is one who hates or discriminates against others based solely on immutable characteristics of race such as skin color, etc.
That, according to what you have been TOLD by the elitist media. Old Black’s Law dictionaries did not describe it that way. Once again David, you have bought into the myths, which have been dispensed to an unsuspecting and unaware America.
Consider the Mexican (not Hispanic) group, called “La Raza” – the Race – formulated to promote their own race – no matter what purpose.
The O-Bozo Trolls have found a new site to pollute with their utter filth.
You people really piss me off! We have a faker in OUR white house who has a patently phony Birth(sic)Certificate and is using the Social Security number of a dead man from the State of Connecticut, who died in Hawaii at the time his grand Mother worked in the Social Security office there. Inquiring minds begin to wonder.
“Only in America, does the word “racist” have the negative connotations, which people like you place upon it. Oh, that’s right! You were TOLD what a racist was by… ”
…the dictionary.
Fair answer, but – which dictionary? We both know that the meanings of words have been altered to fit MANY political agenda. My reference has always been from an early version of Black’s law Dictionary.
I don’t think there much disagreement on this. I’m pretty sure most every dictionary you find will say something about a racist believing their race is superior to all others or being one who discriminates against others based solely on their race. That is certainly what most people mean when they call someone a racist.
You never answered my question concerning that so called Birth Certificate.
Yes. Hawaiian official have seen the original records and vouched for their authenticity. All major media outlets have confirmed that the documentation exists and is authentic. There were birth announcements, based on official state records, that appeared in newspapers from that time. All the evidence indicates that Obama was born in Hawaii. Even most conservative sources like National Review and Fox News accept this.
I am sorry, but I can’t buy into all of that. There has been too much evidence to the contrary – first of which was that the hospital of record did not even go by the name used on the Obama “official” certificate until some time later. There is far more to all of this, than I have time to go in to at present.
Besides – the Media? Come now – you are smarter than that.
Where are you getting your information from? Unless you are doing your own research personally you are getting it from some media source. When multiple, independent news outlets are in agreement on some point that is a strong bit of evidence in it’s favor. Could it still prove to be wrong? Of course, but it is most reasonable to believe that the certificate is authentic until compelling evidence to believe otherwise is proffered.
The name of the hospital on Obama’s long form birth certificate is EXACTLY the same as on the birth certificates of the Nordyke twins (born the day after Obama) on WND’s site. http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347
Federal Non-observant:
Whattafuckin’maroon!
Good thing you put your photo up there; otherwise I’d think you’re the completely fucking crazy uncle who lives up in the Chicago area. You people really live in fear. I’d feel sorry for you if you weren’t so profoundly proud of your indignorance and racism. Fuck you, you moron.
Which is it now – a maroon or a moron? I notice that David nor Dan Verg havn’t bothered to correct you on your misspelling – or is that just reserved for those, with whom he disagrees?
Obama’s real name is Szlozlord Szllazlion. He’s a reptillian from the Szlarian star system. Although he’s in human form now, he can be easily spotted by a doucharian like Mr. Biesada. The mere mention of a reptillian’s name sends doucharians into vein throbbing, spittle flinging, babbling rages.
Another village wants its idiot to come home.
It never ceases to amaze me, how people throw the race issue into this discussion.
Race – sex – gender – they are thrown out for one reason only – to DIVERT attention from the subject matter.
When people can’t logically debate an ISSUE – they throw out the RACE card. It is a tactic that has been used, successfully, for a long time. If THINKING people would refuse to BITE into that game the Race Baiters would soon go away – or at least find another word to divert attention.
Let them *play with themselves* – stop giving them any of your time. If you let them use your time to respond then they have automatically won that skirmish.
IGNORE THEM the minute they begin to play their little kid games. Public shunning will work if it is used.
Hmmm. You should really learn how to use an apostrophe. Aphostropies are not used for plurals, you dumb illiterate fuck. Also, natural born citizen means exactly what it says, that the person was a citizen from the moment of birth (which the constitution guarantees to every person born within US borders) as opposed to having acquired that citizenship later on (naturalization). Not only does it not matter if Obama’s father was a foreign national, it wouldn’t matter if Obama’s mother had been foreign as well. Obama is a natural born citizen by virtue of his birth within US borders, and all the illiterate teabagger garbage you publish won’t change that. And if anyone had any doubts about the true interest of the teabagger birther idiots, they’d do well to remember that prior to this “natural born” made up issue, they claimed that the president was born in Kenya. When it was proven that he was born in the US, they simply switched their claims to their hilariously retarded and illiterate newer claims. Their objective is not to learn any truths, but to arrive at the conclusion they had already determined when they first saw that a black man was about to be elected president: that he could not possible be legitimate. America laughs at you, teabagger birther scum. We also laugh at your hilarious illiteracy. Thanks for the comedy, seriously.
You are an ignorant fool and, if you had a brain, you would take it out and play with it.
I personally dislike and do not trust Obama or whatever his name is. It’s not because of his race, but because he is nothing more than a “Communist Tool.”
As an aside to you and that other “Douche Bag” that posted racist drivel, Obama is not the first black or bi-racial President of the united States. John Hanson was the first President under The Articles Of Confederation and he was a Black Man. Five others including Andrew Jackson were bi-racial. You idiots really need to stop playing with yourselves and start reading the history of this country. You make me sick!
I always find it amazing that people find the most illogical arguments to thwart anyone that does not believe in what they beleive. They view life as a zero-sum game at all times and therefore, another cannot win unless they lose. If President Obama were a knee-jerk, Right Wing, Neo-Conservative Fascist, we would not be having this argument, nor would it be considered, because he would have all the “correct” political views and would not be subject to scrutiny. Ya know, hypocrisy is hypocrisy, on either side of the political spectrum.
Hear, hear!
If Obama weren’t black would you be questioning his citizenship? Have you questioned the citizenship of any other candidate (including John McCain who I hear wasn’t born in the U.S. proper)? THAT is why you are a racist.
Your village called. They want their idiot to come home.
Orrin Hatch is a slimy government stooge. This is the same creep who dropped charges against FBI sniper Lon Horriuchi for murdering Vicky Weaver while she stood in a door way holding an infant child.
The answers to natural born citizenship can be found in the 14th Amendment or 8 United States Code, Section 1401(a)
This is a condition which only applies to the office of the president, and it’s purpose is for allegiance to the United States … not the United States and Britain… or the United States and Kenya or Ireland.
I’m sorry, that’s incorrect. The 14 amendment does not define natural born citizenship. Please see the relevant supreme court decisions on the matter particularly US v. Wong Kim Ark.
Yes, the purpose of the Natural Born Citizenship clause was to ensure allegiance to the United States. The people who wrote it considered that if you were born in the United States you would have allegiance to the United States, and ONLY to the United States. They did not believe in dual allegiance, and neither did Blackstone. They held that a person could have only one allegiance, and that it was to the country where he was born. James Madison even wrote that there two criteria of allegiance that countries use, parentage and place of birth, and the one criterion that applies in the United States of America is the PLACE.
Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
I should add that Edwin Meese was not being disloyal when he wrote and edited the above. He and the others who wrote the volume sponsored by the Heritage Foundation had done their historical research, and they could not find a single line in any of the writings of Alexander Hamilton, John Adams, and yes, John Jay, and James Madison that used the term Natural Born to refer to parents. They only used it to refer to citizenship due to the PLACE of birth.
Here is the James Madison quotation:
In a speech before the House of Representatives in May of 1789, James Madison said:
“It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.”
One question. Do either of you really believe that rag he posted is an actual Birth Certificate? If so, i have some prime Beach front property to sell you near Tuscon, AZ.
The director of health of Hawaii stated in writing that she had seen the long-form original copied from the files and that the result was exactly the same as the original. TWO Republican officials had stated earlier that they had seen the original birth certificate in the files. If there had been a difference from what they saw, they could have told us, but they didn’t say anything.
It should be obvious that a child born outside of the USA requires either a US visa on a foreign passport or to be entered on the mother’s US passport to get to the USA. Those documents or the applications for them would still exist and would have been found easily IF Obama was born outside of the USA. But no such document has been found. (Birther sites do not even discuss this.)
Second, there were notices of Obama’s birth in the newspapers in Hawaii in 1961. And these were not ads placed by relatives. They could not have been ads because the Hawaii newspapers did not accept birth notice ads in 1961. They only took the official notices sent to them by the government of Hawaii, which only sent out the notices for births IN Hawaii. And, the government could not have been fooled by a claim of a birth at home because in those cases it demanded witness statements. (Birther sites rarely discuss this, and when they do they claim falsely that they were either ads [not true], or that Hawaii did not check claims of birth outside of a hospital [it did check].)
So Obama’s parents would have had to have: (1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya); (2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed; (3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one); (4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital; (5) got three Republican officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii.
ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.
Your not allowed to question the dogma on this site Granite. It “agitates” the delicate Federal Observer readers.
You are still an agitating idiot. No one here is opposed to CREATIVE and CONSTRUCTIVE debate – but neither of those are what you are about. You are merely an agitator. You don’t have to agree with the positions or beliefs stated by the various authors, who CHOOSE to publish their work here – but you must RESPECT their views, whether you agree with them or not.
OK everyone – just ignore this idiot – unless he/she/it chooses to engage in a degree of intelligent conversation.
Yeah, in the offending post I merely showed how the author took a quote grossly out of context and the suggested that the author now had a “credibility problem”. So maybe some people should just stop being so sensitive.
Interesting that you ask that people who disagree with you RESPECT other people’s opinions and and engage in CREATIVE and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism (not sure why the all-caps is required there), yet you don’t. After making those statements, the very next paragraph you call him an idiot. That’s respectful? That’s constructive and creative?
And since you’re apparently either humor-challenged or culturally challenged, “what a maroon” is a well-known line from Bugs Bunny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo
Ah-ha – that is my personal opinion, and you don’t know the half of it, so stay out of it.
Right. So then your position can be summed up as “Either agree with me, call those that disagree with me nasty names as I do, or shut up.” That will certainly lead to lots of constructive discourse. Then again, nothing you’ve said anywhere has even remotely resembled constructive discourse unless one is judging it by the rules of 3rd grade.
Unless Obama’s father was a foreign diplomat (and he wasn’t) the fact that he was a foreign citizen has no effect on Obama’s Natural Born Citizen status.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
There is nothing in either of these definitions that requires that a child born in the USA (which Obama was) has to have two or even one citizen parent. the Wong Kim Ark case, ruled six to two (one not voting) that every child born in the country is Natural Born.
Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:
“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)
Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004
The Wall Street Journal put it this way:
“Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning.”
This is nothing new. They’ve been doing it to all of us for 2 years now!
Are you special or something that you should not be attacked by them?
Great article Rick! I Tweeted this one!