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		<title>By: fod for thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>fod for thought</dc:creator>
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		<description>Louis Turner,

our founding father&#039;s can answer your question. Read these quotes:
Here is what our founding fathers and others, had to say about gun control and freedom... Read and learn.


     &quot;They that can give up liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
     deserve neither liberty nor safety.&quot; -Benjamin Franklin, 
                                    Historical Review of Pennsylvania.


     &quot;The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as 
     they are injurious to others.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the
     State of Virginia (1781-1785).



     &quot;I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except
     for a few public officials.&quot; -George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at
     425-426.



     &quot;The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States)
     assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may
     exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be
     at all times armed.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson.


     &quot;(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed which
     Americans possess over the people of almost every other
     nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people
     with arms.&quot; -James Madison.



     &quot;Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
     neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make
     things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they
     serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an
     unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed
     man.&quot;  -Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria.



     &quot;Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual
     discretion...in private self defense...&quot; -John Adams, A defense 
     of the Constitutions of the Government of the USA, 471 (1788).



     &quot;...arms...discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe,
     and preserve order in the world as well as property. ...Horrid
     mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of
     them.&quot; -Thomas Paine.


     &quot;On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us  
      carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was
      adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and
      instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text,
      or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it
      was passed.&quot; –Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June
      12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p322.
   


     &quot;Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of
      government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by 
      slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson, 
      Bill for the More General diffusion of Knowledge (1778).


     &quot;To disarm the people (is) the best and most effectual way to
      enslave them...&quot; -George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380.


     &quot;The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that
      they be properly armed.&quot; -Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist
      Papers at 184-8.


     &quot;Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect
      everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will
      preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that
      force, you are ruined...The great object is that every man be
      armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.: -Patrick Henry.


     &quot;Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the
      price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not
      what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or
      give me death!&quot; -Patrick Henry



     &quot;To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the 
      people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when
      young, how to use them...&quot; -Richard Henry Lee writing in Letters
      from the Federal Farmer to the Republic (1787-1788).


     &quot;The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress
      to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable 
      citizens, from keeping their own arms.&quot; -Samuel Adams, debates &amp;
      Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of 
      Massachusetts, 86-87.

     &quot;...the people have a right to keep and bear arms.&quot; -Patrick
      Henry and George Mason, Elliot, Debates at 185.


     &quot;The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be
     infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the people,
     trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free
     country...&quot; -James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 (June 8,
     1789).


     &quot;A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people
     themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms.&quot; 
     -Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer
     (1788) at 169.


     &quot;The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
      males at least 17 years of age...&quot; -Title 10, Section 311 of the
      U.S. Code. (see http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/)


     &quot;The people are nor to be disarmed of their weapons. They are
      left in full possession of them.&quot; -Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot,
      Debates at 646.


     &quot;No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.&quot; -Thomas
     Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers,
     334 (C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950).


     &quot;If the representatives of the people betray their constituents,
      there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that
      original right of self defense which is paramount to all
      positive forms of government...&quot;-    Alexander Hamilton, The 
      Federalist (#28). 

     &quot;As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before
     them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which
     must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert
     their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people 
     are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear
     their private arms.&quot; -Tench Coxe, Remarks on the First Part of
     the Amendments to the Federal Constitution, under the
     pseudonym &quot;A Pennsylvanian&quot; in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette,
     June 18, 1989 at col. 1.



     &quot;The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been
      recognized by the General Government; but the best security of
      that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for
      martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free  
      citizens of these States...Such men form the best barrier to the
      liberties of America.&quot; -gazette of the United States, October
      14, 1789.


     &quot;Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as
      they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. the supreme power in
      America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the
      whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force
      superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any
      pretense, raised in the United States.&quot; -Noah Webster, An
      Examination into the Leading Principles of the federal
      Constitution (1787) in Pamphlets to the Constitution of
      the United States (P. Ford, 1888).


     &quot;If a man hasn&#039;t discovered something that he will die for, he 
      isn&#039;t fit to live.&quot; -Martin Luther King Jr., June 23, 1963.
      Speech in Detroit.


     Statements of The Enemies of Liberty:


     &quot;Government begins at the end of the gun barrel.&quot; - Chairman Mao

     &quot;One man with a gun can control 100 without one. ... Make mass
     searches and hold executions for found arms.&quot; --V.I. Lenin.

     &quot;If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to
      disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.&quot; --Joseph Stalin.


     &quot;We are taking the law and bending it as far as we can to capture
      a whole new class of guns.&quot; - Jose Cerada, (White House official 
      who specializes in gun control policy), The Los Angeles Times

     &quot;We can&#039;t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of
     ordinary Americans ...&quot; Bill Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993,
     page 2A)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louis Turner,</p>
<p>our founding father&#8217;s can answer your question. Read these quotes:<br />
Here is what our founding fathers and others, had to say about gun control and freedom&#8230; Read and learn.</p>
<p>     &#8220;They that can give up liberty to obtain a little temporary safety<br />
     deserve neither liberty nor safety.&#8221; -Benjamin Franklin,<br />
                                    Historical Review of Pennsylvania.</p>
<p>     &#8220;The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as<br />
     they are injurious to others.&#8221; -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the<br />
     State of Virginia (1781-1785).</p>
<p>     &#8220;I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except<br />
     for a few public officials.&#8221; -George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at<br />
     425-426.</p>
<p>     &#8220;The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States)<br />
     assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may<br />
     exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be<br />
     at all times armed.&#8221; -Thomas Jefferson.</p>
<p>     &#8220;(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed which<br />
     Americans possess over the people of almost every other<br />
     nation&#8230;(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people<br />
     with arms.&#8221; -James Madison.</p>
<p>     &#8220;Laws that forbid the carrying of arms&#8230;disarm only those who are<br />
     neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes&#8230;Such laws make<br />
     things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they<br />
     serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an<br />
     unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed<br />
     man.&#8221;  -Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria.</p>
<p>     &#8220;Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual<br />
     discretion&#8230;in private self defense&#8230;&#8221; -John Adams, A defense<br />
     of the Constitutions of the Government of the USA, 471 (1788).</p>
<p>     &#8220;&#8230;arms&#8230;discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe,<br />
     and preserve order in the world as well as property. &#8230;Horrid<br />
     mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of<br />
     them.&#8221; -Thomas Paine.</p>
<p>     &#8220;On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us<br />
      carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was<br />
      adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and<br />
      instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text,<br />
      or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it<br />
      was passed.&#8221; –Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June<br />
      12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p322.</p>
<p>     &#8220;Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of<br />
      government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by<br />
      slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.&#8221; -Thomas Jefferson,<br />
      Bill for the More General diffusion of Knowledge (1778).</p>
<p>     &#8220;To disarm the people (is) the best and most effectual way to<br />
      enslave them&#8230;&#8221; -George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380.</p>
<p>     &#8220;The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that<br />
      they be properly armed.&#8221; -Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist<br />
      Papers at 184-8.</p>
<p>     &#8220;Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect<br />
      everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will<br />
      preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that<br />
      force, you are ruined&#8230;The great object is that every man be<br />
      armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.: -Patrick Henry.</p>
<p>     &#8220;Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the<br />
      price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not<br />
      what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or<br />
      give me death!&#8221; -Patrick Henry</p>
<p>     &#8220;To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the<br />
      people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when<br />
      young, how to use them&#8230;&#8221; -Richard Henry Lee writing in Letters<br />
      from the Federal Farmer to the Republic (1787-1788).</p>
<p>     &#8220;The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress<br />
      to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable<br />
      citizens, from keeping their own arms.&#8221; -Samuel Adams, debates &amp;<br />
      Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of<br />
      Massachusetts, 86-87.</p>
<p>     &#8220;&#8230;the people have a right to keep and bear arms.&#8221; -Patrick<br />
      Henry and George Mason, Elliot, Debates at 185.</p>
<p>     &#8220;The right of the people to keep and bear&#8230;arms shall not be<br />
     infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the people,<br />
     trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free<br />
     country&#8230;&#8221; -James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 (June 8,<br />
     1789).</p>
<p>     &#8220;A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people<br />
     themselves&#8230;and include all men capable of bearing arms.&#8221;<br />
     -Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer<br />
     (1788) at 169.</p>
<p>     &#8220;The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied<br />
      males at least 17 years of age&#8230;&#8221; -Title 10, Section 311 of the<br />
      U.S. Code. (see <a href="http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/)" rel="nofollow">http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/)</a></p>
<p>     &#8220;The people are nor to be disarmed of their weapons. They are<br />
      left in full possession of them.&#8221; -Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot,<br />
      Debates at 646.</p>
<p>     &#8220;No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.&#8221; -Thomas<br />
     Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers,<br />
     334 (C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950).</p>
<p>     &#8220;If the representatives of the people betray their constituents,<br />
      there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that<br />
      original right of self defense which is paramount to all<br />
      positive forms of government&#8230;&#8221;-    Alexander Hamilton, The<br />
      Federalist (#28). </p>
<p>     &#8220;As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before<br />
     them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which<br />
     must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert<br />
     their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people<br />
     are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear<br />
     their private arms.&#8221; -Tench Coxe, Remarks on the First Part of<br />
     the Amendments to the Federal Constitution, under the<br />
     pseudonym &#8220;A Pennsylvanian&#8221; in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette,<br />
     June 18, 1989 at col. 1.</p>
<p>     &#8220;The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been<br />
      recognized by the General Government; but the best security of<br />
      that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for<br />
      martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free<br />
      citizens of these States&#8230;Such men form the best barrier to the<br />
      liberties of America.&#8221; -gazette of the United States, October<br />
      14, 1789.</p>
<p>     &#8220;Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as<br />
      they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. the supreme power in<br />
      America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the<br />
      whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force<br />
      superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any<br />
      pretense, raised in the United States.&#8221; -Noah Webster, An<br />
      Examination into the Leading Principles of the federal<br />
      Constitution (1787) in Pamphlets to the Constitution of<br />
      the United States (P. Ford, 1888).</p>
<p>     &#8220;If a man hasn&#8217;t discovered something that he will die for, he<br />
      isn&#8217;t fit to live.&#8221; -Martin Luther King Jr., June 23, 1963.<br />
      Speech in Detroit.</p>
<p>     Statements of The Enemies of Liberty:</p>
<p>     &#8220;Government begins at the end of the gun barrel.&#8221; &#8211; Chairman Mao</p>
<p>     &#8220;One man with a gun can control 100 without one. &#8230; Make mass<br />
     searches and hold executions for found arms.&#8221; &#8211;V.I. Lenin.</p>
<p>     &#8220;If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to<br />
      disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.&#8221; &#8211;Joseph Stalin.</p>
<p>     &#8220;We are taking the law and bending it as far as we can to capture<br />
      a whole new class of guns.&#8221; &#8211; Jose Cerada, (White House official<br />
      who specializes in gun control policy), The Los Angeles Times</p>
<p>     &#8220;We can&#8217;t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of<br />
     ordinary Americans &#8230;&#8221; Bill Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993,<br />
     page 2A)</p>
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		<title>By: hippybiker</title>
		<link>http://www.federalobserver.com/2010/03/04/7468/comment-page-1/#comment-6741</link>
		<dc:creator>hippybiker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point Louis. I would venture to say.....&quot;My body is MY property, not the States.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point Louis. I would venture to say&#8230;..&#8221;My body is MY property, not the States.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.federalobserver.com/2010/03/04/7468/comment-page-1/#comment-6571</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 06:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I’ll throw in a “Monkey Wrench” into this one. My firearm is my property and the Second Amendment speaks about that right. I have a right to protect myself. (Natural Right). So…when was the last time you saw a HOMELESS PERSON legally own a gun? 

Do you really have to OWN or rent a HOME to have the right to own a firearm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I’ll throw in a “Monkey Wrench” into this one. My firearm is my property and the Second Amendment speaks about that right. I have a right to protect myself. (Natural Right). So…when was the last time you saw a HOMELESS PERSON legally own a gun? </p>
<p>Do you really have to OWN or rent a HOME to have the right to own a firearm?</p>
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		<title>By: alfonse</title>
		<link>http://www.federalobserver.com/2010/03/04/7468/comment-page-1/#comment-6549</link>
		<dc:creator>alfonse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legalized Plunder !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legalized Plunder !!!</p>
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		<title>By: hippybiker</title>
		<link>http://www.federalobserver.com/2010/03/04/7468/comment-page-1/#comment-6536</link>
		<dc:creator>hippybiker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One should also read an interesting little book called &quot;The Law&quot; by Fredrick Bastiat  alot can be learned from his writtings. hb AARP 3%er!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One should also read an interesting little book called &#8220;The Law&#8221; by Fredrick Bastiat  alot can be learned from his writtings. hb AARP 3%er!</p>
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