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04.19.10 UPDATE: Thinking about selling your house? – A look at H.R. 2454 (Cap and trade bill)

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Editor’s Note – 04.19.10: ARE YOU PEOPLE STUPID, OR WHAT??? READERS – NO MATTER WHICH SIDE OF THIS ISSUE YOU STAND ON – YOU MUST ALL BE THICK! FIRST OF ALL, THIS WAS PROPOSED LEGISLATION DURING THE 2009 CONGRESSIONAL YEAR HELLO! THIS IS 2010.

I DO NOT UPDATE EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE, WHICH I HAVE EVER POSTED IN 9 YEARS. THIS WAS ORIGINALLY POSTED OCTOBER 1, 2009.

THE LANGUAGE IN ALL BILLS IS CHANGES AS IT GOES ALONG. WHAT HAS BEEN POSTED, WAS BASED UPON INFORMATION, WHICH WAS AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME.

If you are unable to understand this after numerous comments left by me on the column, and emails sent to a large number of brain-dead individuals -  then you never will.

I grow weary of people who can not understand this.

WAKE THE HELL UP – AND GET A LIFE!!!!!

END OF DESCUSSION!!!!!! (JB)

Editor’s Note – 04.09.10: For those of you, who feel that we are stumping for the Republicans in the 2010 election cycle – not a Republican nor Democrat supporter am I.

What becomes most interesting about all of this, is that no one is going after the original source:
www.govtrack.us

I realize that much writing out there – no matter from which side, leads to much interpretation, and subsequently – the range of differing comments and opinions on this column.

Now, see the following, as updated comments continue to come in….
CAP’N TRADE IS GOING BACK TO 1984
(JB)

Wow!  Home owners take note & tell your friends and relatives who are home owners!!!  Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Act, you won’t be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act.

H.R.  2454, the “Cap & Trade” bill passed by the House of Representatives, if also passed by the Senate, will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced.  The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year.  No one is excluded.  However, once the lower classes feel the pinch in their wallets, you can be sure these voters get a tax refund (even if they pay no taxes at all) to offset this new cost.  Thus, you Mr.  and Mrs.  Middle Class America will have to pay even more since additional tax dollars will be needed to bail out everyone else.

But wait.  This awful bill (that no one in Congress has actually read) has many more surprises in it.

Probably the worst one is this:  A year from now you won’t be able to sell your house.

Yes, you read that right.  The caveat is (there always is a caveat) that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it.  But, if not, then forget it.  Even pre-fabricated homes (“mobile homes”) are included.

In effect, this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator.

To get this permission, you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured.  Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be forced to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements.  Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license (called a “label” in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner If you don’t get a high enough rating, you can’t sell.  And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act.

The EPA administrator, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the “American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009″) and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he alone determines to be in the government’s best interest.  Requirements are set low initially so the bill will pass Congress; then the Administrator can set much tougher new standards every year.  The Act itself contains annual required increases in energy efficiency for private and commercial residences and buildings.  However, the EPA administrator can set higher standards at any time.

Sect.  202:
Building Retrofit Program mandates a national retrofit program to increase the energy efficiency of all existing homes across America.

Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Act, you won’t be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act.  You had better sell soon, because the standards will be raised each year and will be really hard (i.e., ex$pen$ive) to meet in a few years.  Oh, goody!  The Act allows the government to give you a grant of several thousand dollars to comply with the retrofit program requirements if you meet certain energy efficiency levels.  But, wait, the State can set additional requirements on who qualifies to receive the grants.  You should expect requirements such as “can’t have an income of more than $50K per year”, “home selling price can’t be more than $125K”, or anything else to target the upper middle class (and that’s YOU) and prevent them from qualifying for the grants Most of us won’t get a dime and will have to pay the entire cost of the retrofit out of our own pockets.  More transfer of wealth, more “change you can believe in.”

Sect.  204:
Building Energy Performance Labeling Program establishes a labeling program that for each individual residence will identify the achieved energy efficiency performance for “at least 90 percent of the residential market within 5 years after the date of the enactment of this Act.” This means that within five years, 90% of all residential homes in the U.S.  must be measured and labeled.  The EPA administrator will get $50M each year to enforce the labeling program.  The Secretary of the Department of Energy will get an additional $20M each year to help enforce the labeling program.  Some of this money will, of course, be spent on coming up with tougher standards each year.  Oh, the label will be like a license for your car.  You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home and will not be allowed to sell your home without having this label.  And, just like your car license, you will probably be required to get a new label every so often – maybe every year.  But, the government estimates the cost of measuring the energy efficiency of your home should only cost about $200 each time.  Remember what they said about the auto smog inspections when they first started: that in California it would only cost $15.  That was when the program started.  Now the cost is about $50 for the inspection and certificate; a 333% increase.  Expect the same from the home labeling program.

Sect.  304:
Greater Energy Efficiency in Building Codes establishes new energy efficiency guidelines for the National Building Code and mandates at 304(d) that 1 year after enactment of this Act, all state and local jurisdictions must adopt the National Building Code energy efficiency provisions or must obtain a certification from the federal government that their state and/or local codes have been brought into full compliance with the National Building Code energy efficiency standards.

H.R. 2454: American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2454

Comments: 152 Comments

152 Responses to “04.19.10 UPDATE: Thinking about selling your house? – A look at H.R. 2454 (Cap and trade bill)”

  1. Marvis Malott says:

    He has 6 months to elect COBRA coverage….his employer is required by law to send him the paperwork….References :

  2. ceagle says:

    JB
    I take exception to your Editor’s note dated 04-09-10. You are just like most
    of the Washington politicians who never take responsibility for what they have said.
    It is your duty, your responsibility, to stay on top of and update everything you post, even if it is over a 9 year period. Just like most politicians, you think the
    public is stupid and thick headed. It is you sir that is stupid and thick headed if you don’t understand the ethics of being responsible for everything you post. You are an arrogant elitist. I hope most people, as I have, realize your site is nothing but a rag of unreliable information. You should run for a political office. You certainly fit the bill; irresponsible, arrogant, unreliable, elitist.

    • I don’t think the public is thick headed – just arrogant individuals like you. I would think that you would attack the New York Times for all the errors they have published over their history, but no – only web-sites, whose sole purpose is to make people look outside of the box, which they have been locked in for most of their lives, due to the propaganda being spit out by the controlled media.

      So what you have just admitted to all, is that you have been brainwashed by that same media – and I’ll bet that you even support the Socialist direction of the current administration. (Don’t worry, I didn’t support the previous administration either). Just for fun, why don’t you stop editing what you read – and read every comment left on this column, as I believe that you’ll read both pro and con, as relates to the column.

      In it’s original form, the Bill stated EXACTLY what this column states…

      And I’ll bet that you buy into ObamaCare as well!

  3. [...] Thinking about selling your house? – A look at H.R. 2454 (Cap and trade bill) CAP’N TRADE IS GOING BACK TO 1984 Wow! Home owners take note & tell your friends and relatives who are home owners!!! Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Act, you won’t be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act. http://www.federalobserver.com/2009/10/01/thinking-about-selling-your-house-a-look-at-h-r-2454-cap-a... [...]

  4. Michael Hurst says:

    Unbelievable. You suckers actually fall for this baloney. This is a hoax, and you are all falling all over yourselves to rant and rave about it. Go to http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2454
    and read the actual bill. There is nothing in the bill that says anything like what is being said here. Go to Sec. 202 and you’ll see nothing like what these yokels are saying is in there. Or do a text search on “label” and you won’t find anything talking about a label being like a licence (labels are like “energy star” labels.

    If you can’t get up the time or energy to actually read the bill, check out the analysis on snopes.com

    It is a HOAX people, designed to stir up opposition to the bill, by creating a red herring. Sure seems to have worked on most of you.

    • Are you Serious? says:

      @ Michael Hurst
      I went to the website you posted the link to. Read section 202, 203 and 204. It’s all there. Every word of it. Apparently you did not take the time to read those sections in your own link.

    • Freewill says:

      Section 204 – Building Energy Performance Labeling Program begins on page 376, but focus your attention on subpart (h)(3) The Means of Implementation Section starting on page 386. In particular, see page 389 at the end of this section subpart ….(8)entitled Prevention of Disruption of Sales Transactions. Read it carefully and note that it only restricts the State from requiring the audit and labeling AFTER the Contract is executed and before the sale is completed. The door is still wide open for the State to require the audit and labeling, as is mandated by the Federal government in the previous pages, BEFORE the Contract can be executed.

      The ORIGINAL versions of this bill actually DID require an Owner to pay for and obtain the label, before the sale could be made. But it has since been amended under pressure from the NAR. Unfortunately, their pressure was applied in such a way as to protect REALTORS from losing Contracts and sales, but does NOTHING to protect the seller from the additional burdens and costs associated with this provision. Even if some States don’t end up requiring the upgrades that many fear to meet some minimum level of efficiency required to obtain a “label”, the effect on the seller will still be onerous as a substandard “label” or “rating” will certainly affect the value of his/her property.

    • Anti-sheeple says:

      Hoax?! Yeah, Mike. And hijackers actually flew jumbo jets into two of the largest structures on earth…causing them to fall straight to the earth in an unimpeded freefall. That after several people reported being blown out of the basement and having walked over piles of dead bodies in a lobby 100 floors below. (That was a black flag op’) Believe what you wish. This has New World Order written all over it. This is not a site for sheep. Go back to your masters all you sheep.

  5. Mike S. says:

    Folks, whether you are on the right or on the left…whichever side which is currently talking and spewing out weighted down and stretched and skewed information, the current issues that are all being discussed can be corrected and controlled one way and one way only….PUT TERM LIMITS ON ALL OF THESE IDIOTS….BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE. The Strom Thurmonds and Robert Byrds…..how much good did they do for our country? These guys couldn’t put their own underwear on the last several years they sat in their chairs and voted on thousand page legislation with regularity. But they were not the most dangerous even though maybe the scariest. The more dangerous ones are the millionaire fat cats that sit like kings getting under the table favors of every kind from every PACT known to man, and a few we probably don’t know. They quickly forget they are representing anyone anywhere except their on personal interests. And we see examples of it every day.

    Wake up America…….we put term limits on all of these posts, and these leeches will not forget who they are working for. Let’s face it, it takes years and years to formulate all the shady dealings that our trusted elected officials are constantly involved in…we take that facet away from them and maybe, just maybe, we may get some representation.

    God bless America….bring on term limits!!!!

    • Erik says:

      Scott W,

      Seriously, sending people to the very people who wrote that tripe is your response? They assume you bought a house in 1979 for 39k and want to sell it for 500k talk about bad examples! The truth is if your house does not meet THEIR conditions for energy YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SELL THE HOUSE UNTIL IT DOES. YOU WILL pay whatever it takes until it does!

      Since when can the Federal Government dictate ANYTHING to the States like this? Read the Constitution poeple! The Federal Government pissed on this document and the States allowed it, SOME States are starting to fight back and it’s about damn time too.

      The Federal Government needs to be put back in its place, SOON! Cap ‘n Trade is designed to make people rich, it is NOT designed to do anything else and as usual it will hurt American jobs and companies will go over seas to do business.

      Thanks Dem’s anything else you want to screw up? Oh the Reps aren’t any better! I’ll end with this note –

      The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money. Margaret Thatcher

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  7. Robert A Hirschmann says:

    Last year I decided to write a humorous article on how to fix the world economy. It was just in jest but the sad fact is that it is really coming true. I can’t believe that the American people are that stupid.

    Saturday, September 12, 2009

    How To Fix The World Economy
    This is easy. All you have to do is give the billionaires a few more gazillion dollars or so and tell them to spend it and that will stimulate the economy. Of course you will have to increase the taxes on the poor unwashed masses a few thousand percent to pay for it but you have to take the good with the bad. That way we can get rid of a whole class of people. We would only have the rich and the poor. No more middle class. Wouldn’t that be great? And when we help the poor to die out by taking away food stamps, social security, health care and welfare we will only have one class. Everybody would be rich! Now isn’t that the Utopia that everybody is shooting for? Of course it is!

    Now I want everybody to write a letter to their congressmen to draft up a bill and let’s get this plan moving. Come on, START WRITING!!! Of course there will be a few dissenters as there always is when somebody comes up with a good idea. Well, that’s the way it goes sometimes. You just can’t please everyone. Hey! I don’t see anyone writing out there. Come on, get off your duff an start scribbling. It would be un American to not want to get this world running smoothly again. After all, isn’t that what we were put on this earth for? Our congress will listen to everybody that backs this movement because they are used to giving to the rich. They do it all the time.

    This article comes from the warped mind of Bob Hirschmann. There is no one else to blame for it. If you would like to hear more of my opinions and strange humor please send a comment to this address. rahlvnv@gmail.com Thank you.

  8. linda handy says:

    As we continue down this road of destruction led by the likes of Barack OBama and the queen of plastic surgery and superficiality, Nancy Pelosi, I am becoming more and more appauled at how the majority of people sit ideally by and watch the destruction that these sociopathic twosome yield. When will the American people stand up and fight for our democracy, or beloved country. Let’s take America back from the traitors, the infidels and have a real live Tea Party.

    I am not in favor of the Cap and Trade Bill that includes forcing home owners to have a license for their property. Cap and Trade Bill of 09 – 10 is just one symptom of the plan of Obama and Pelosi to destroy the United States that our Constitution and independence stands for. This bill is great proof that Obama and Pelosi will not rest until they have completed creating the greatest depression the world has ever known. Run from the Democrates and their socialism..

    I pray that the public is smart enough at this point to realize that we can no longer allow a man like Obama, who hates America and hates the white man (though his uncelebrated family of origin is in fact white) continue to reign supreme. It is clear that his evil desires for the United States of America stem solely from his perception of the beliefs of his abandoning, absent, radical Islamic biological father and level 10 Muselim step father. Only a man without an ego structure, abandoned and left by both his parents, could ascribe to such hate of the U.S., the white, and the middle class. His lack of conscience runs deep. Oh yes, and then comes Pelosi, who learned all she knows about politics from her mafia affiliated father.

    God Bless America and our fore fathers and the Freedom we once stood for. Pray that the Republicans come home soon.

    • disabler says:

      Linda, after reading your inacurate rant, I believe that you are a hateful person & I feel sorry for you. When you & your kind get their “way” this country will literally burn. You are a truly scary person.
      I pray that “the public” is much smarter than you. All Republicans conveniently “forget” that the previous 8 year Republican reign lead us to this mess. Rome was not built in a day.

      • Erik says:

        disabler,

        I find it funny that a liberal will always use hateful as a commentary with something they disagree with but will not use any examples of where somebody like Linda is wrong.

        How can you blame the previous 8 years on Bush when the Democrates forced lenders to lend money to people who could not pay it back? Why is it that Obama isn’t doing anything to Freddie and Fanny?? Why do they get a pass when they are more corrupt than any Wall Street Exec??

        Rome was not built in a day, but really, is Rome an example you want to use? I feel sorry for you, you call people hateful and scary and whats really scary is your ignorance.

    • Erik says:

      Linda,

      Obama’s family of origin is mixed, aside form that I agree with you. As for Republican’s, they need to get back to being little “r” Republican’s. Check out Mike Church for why I say this. http://www.mikechurch.com/

      As for you Liberals who love entitlements and huge Government, check out Mike’s website and get an understanding of how this country was founded. It was not founded to give people something for nothing, it was not designed to give the Federal Government power over our lives, that’s what they were fighting AGAINST!

      If you love Socialism so much move to places where they have it rampant, oh wait, those countries are in deeper financial trouble than we ever will be. But hey, continue to expect others to pay for YOU so you can sit there fat and happy.

  9. Don Rota says:

    Did you read the bill?

    This stuff in Cap & Trad bill applies to public and assisted living housing or for assessing newly manufactured homes.

    Read:
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2454
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2454

    - – - – - – - – -

    See: SEC. 202. BUILDING RETROFIT PROGRAM. Item (d) (2):
    (d) Federal Administration-
    (2) CONSULTATION AND COORDINATION- The Administrator and the Secretary of Energy shall consult with and coordinate with the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development in carrying out the REEP program with regard to retrofitting of public housing and assisted housing. As a result of such consultation, the Administrator shall establish standards to ensure that retrofits of public housing and assisted housing funded pursuant to this section are cost-effective, including opportunities to address the potential co-performance of repair and replacement needs that may be supported with other forms of Federal assistance. Owners of public housing or assisted housing receiving funding through the REEP program shall agree to continue to provide affordable housing consistent with the provisions of the authorizing legislation governing each program for an additional period commensurate with the funding received, as determined in accordance with guidelines established by the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.

    - – - – - – - – -

    Can you show documentation for where you got these numbers?: “The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year. ”

    Show me the data that is backing up your argument. No data = you lost your argument.

    thanks
    …Don…

    • disabler says:

      Thanks for a voice of reason, Don. It is painfully obvious that all of these lemmings haven’t bothered to actually read HR 2454. They only latch onto any propaganda thrown out by the right wing…. every Republican to whom I’ve asked the question “Why do you vote the straight Reuplican party ticket?” Answer – because that’s what I’ve always done.

  10. Ken Cox says:

    This has got to be thedumbest thing to come out of Washington yet Ken C

  11. Tom says:

    I’ve reviewed these postings about how the “Cap & Trade” bill will affect housing … and find it extremely hard to believe that our political leaders could be so DAMN DUMB !!!! The housing industry is in the worst “Depression” in history !!! How could they be dumb enough to try to enact such restrictions in selling a home??? What’s even worse is that you will not hear of this from the “main street media”. That’s how they are getting by with such BS federal regulations.

  12. Michele says:

    Yes I do f-ing understanding, but realistically what in sam hell can we do about it. All I see or hear is a bunch of bitching about these things and no way in hell to fight it. Even the idiots that were voted in”I didn’t vote for” can’t go away without a majority vote, and if the majority of America consists of idiots,need I say more?

    • Jana says:

      Well, there is something we can all do: First, we Must continually harrass our representatives with emails & phone calls. We Must attend their townhall mtgs. Next, and this is really significant: get on your ballat to become a Precinct Delegate!!! A PD is low in the hierarchy of politics; However, they have a LOT of power. Mr. O used them all throughout the country in neighborhoods, & pulled the rug out from under Hillary, I mean Billary. The surprising thing is, half of the PD’s across the country sit empty!!!! I am on my ballot, I’ve made can’t miss ‘em flyers, and hope I win a seat. Next, if I win one of 3 seats, I attend my first PD mtg. If the other 2 don’t show up, I auto become the PD Captain – another rung up the political ladder to influence who gets on the ballot in elections. I hope to win, & then I’m going to do my darndest to make sure candidates are properly vetted (must have a real birth certificate, must have real experience, etc.). & then, if that candidate doesn’t serve the people, we vote him/her out! Hope this info helps.

  13. karen says:

    No one wants to really believe that this is going on right under our noses. the people need to take over the government again and get rid of all the politicians trying to destroy the united states as we have known it. Our freedom is slowing deteriating and about to be gone forever unless we do something about it. If you cann’t count on our own senators and governors then we need to let them know that if they expect to stay in their position in the government they better start listening to the people. Maybe if we got rid of all the extras they seem to think they need we would be out of debt in time without raising taxes. When they are replaced then they must go get a job and make a living for themselves, not expecting us to continue to cover their wages. They also need to start living on the same social security and medical care as the rest of us.

  14. DanFromMo says:

    Here is something you can do now!

    http://someoneDiedForMeToday.com

    Go There, Mail 5, and tell 10 more. This is spreading, we need everyone on board! I have mailed mine and know many more that sent theres this week! Goal is to flood them by Sept 1 2010.

  15. Joyce Hernandez says:

    WHAT CAN WE DO?
    If there is anything we can do, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT DOING IT?

    obama and his cronies are doing their best to ruin America! obama is a deceiver. Little did the people know when they chanted his YES I CAN, he meant YES I CAN ruin America and make is a sociallist/communist country.

    This latest tax is taxation without representation! obama ignores our Constitution. he is not a patriotic American.

    The radical muslims want to destroy America. Well…..?

  16. [...] CHECK OUT a few of the sites;    Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home http://www.nachi. org/forum/ f14/cap-and- trade-license- required- your-home- 44750/  HR2454 American Clean Energy & Security Act:   http://www.govtrack .us/congress/ bill.xpd? bill=h111- 2454  Cap & Trade A license required for your home: http://www.prisonplanet.com/cap-and-trade-a-license-required-for-your-home.html  Cap and trade is a license to cheat and steal:  http://www.sfexamin er.com/opinion/ columns/oped_ contributors/ Cap-and-trade- is-a-license- to-cheat- and-steal- 45371937. html Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2393940/posts  Thinking about selling you House? Look at HR 2454:  http://www.federalobserver.com/2009/10/01/thinking-about-selling-your-house-a-look-at-h-r-2454-cap-a... [...]

  17. Let's tell the truth says:

    Peole are stupid for listening to this crap. Check it on snopes. It is all false.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/captrade.asp

    • crowley chick says:

      You still believe anything Snopes says? Tthey are a shill for Obama and a farce. A husband and wife team that sit in their living room deciding what the answer should be. they never follow up and see if a story is actually true or not. I think you must be the only one in America who even looks at their site anymore.

      • disabler says:

        It’s really too bad that you can’t think for yourself. snopes.com has been around since way before Obama was elected by the poeple of the Untied State (unlike the previous president).

    • donna says:

      this is not false. this site is just to sugar coat the the bill to make everyone think it is a good ideal and would be good for the country/economy. this is bull &%*&%%!!!!!!! you and people like you are more ignorant than you seem if you believe this wont happen!

  18. Robert Casale says:

    The Obama regime has not pushed this to go through the Senate as yet. Obama admiits Cap and Trade will be the heaviest tax ever given to American Citizens.
    One of the ways you socialize a country is to bankrupt it, through all types of entitlement programs as well as over tax the people.
    This makes the people obligated and subservient to the government who runs everthing and controls everything.
    You know it didn’t work in Russia, North Korea, Cuba, Greece etc. but it depends what your agenda is. If you want a socialist state it is cap and trade, if you want a capitalistic democracy then vote against all Democrats now and into 2012.

  19. Tim Robbins says:

    How is it that WE The PEOPLE total over 400 million people who are also voters are controled by 540 Not Wits It is time for the people to get the power and get rid of all of the Money Grubers in DC If this Bill is passed they won’t have to worry abou recovery the Real Estate Markets will just die.

    I am sorry to Say there is No Justice But if everyone went to the Polls and did not select anyone maybe they would get the message

  20. Vinod Thakkar says:

    I oppose this bill. This is ridiculous. We need to stop it by all means.

  21. G.L. Gray Jacxksonville, NC
    Between waxman, frank, palosie reid and hussien obama (small letters on purpose) This country is going to HELL in a hand basket!
    There is NOTHING sacred that the dems win’t try to demonize!
    I am completely disgusted with our so called reprsentatives injh DC and most state houses and counties and cities. The mayor of nyc (?BUMBERG) is a shinning example of a complete and total waste of skin!

  22. Richard Rhea says:

    This is awful, something has to be done to stop all of this. They are still trying to steal from us. Can/t we vote against that bill?

  23. Richard Rhea says:

    I am against this and I think it is the most awful thing I have ever heard of. This must be stopped
    our government has gone to far. The middle class will not be able to live, while all the those in the upper area of life have fine dinner, work parties, trips that are not needed and they are paid money that is to much and it is even in our schools, The superindents, DDP, Finance Dierectorsand the beat goes on are paid all this big money and the rest work under the load and are not paid what they should be.
    There has to be a place to stop the all the crap, all thos ball players, gold players and we are dong it , we ever pay HollyWood and the teach our young gereration to drug, drinik, smoke, have all kinds of sex, dog fights, and it goes on and we pay them to teach this mess to our young where will all all this stop.

  24. Willie says:

    Are you all nuts? This is a big load of crap. Don’t buy into it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  25. Alma Babuder says:

    This is outrageous! I am on fixed income, try to live within a budget and now this!! What will any of us have to leave ourselves or our family. This is taxation without representation as far as I am concerned.

    We need to vote these clowns out of office.

  26. A BRONDAS says:

    WHO ORIGINATED THIS, ANYBODY OVERSEEING THIS? DOES THE MEDIA KNOW OF THIS? WHY IS IT NOT MORE DISCLOSED TO THE PUBLIC? DOES AARP KNOW OF THIS,AND WHAT IS BEING DONE ABOUTTHIS? DOES OUR STATE ELECTIVE PEOPLE HAVE KNOWLEDGE OR CARE ? THE GOVERNMENT IS NOW TELLING US WHAT WILL BE NEXED.

  27. Yuri Pasha says:

    Well folks what you have there is coming true in Australia. The once was the greatest country in the world to live.

    I n state of Queensland Au. the new law is you must supply a sworn statement to say what things you have done to reduce carbon pollution, reduce power reduce anything with out it you cant sell.
    Why does Au allways have to follow USA lead.

    Well because our leaders traitors either party are arse lickers to the Gods in congress, Iam sure they are well paid when they leave parliment with highly paid jobs. in friendly
    companies they have helped along the way.

    Our local council has now enacted laws that if you dont vote in council elections, found watering your gardens on the wrong day, not having your dog chipped and registers which also leads to cancer, parking partly on the foot path in narrow streets,

    they can suspend your drivers licence, a local council allready 2300 people have lost their drivers licence.

    Now a new act by a local council if a developer wants to buy your home u just happend to live in for the last 40 years to build a block of apartments and you say no, They can go to council the developer and lodge a complaint,, They the council can then resume your home at their valuation kick you out and resell it to the developer for a profit.. As the local Mayor says when asked about this crime he thinks the women was being selfish
    by saying no and depriving others the chance to live close to the inner city
    t he fact that the house was built by the husband for her as a wedding gift of love and devotion does not enter into it

    Fact the Au govements have resume land off farmers in Au of over 1.5 million hectares over the last 15 years with no compansation on the basis that they need their farms to make into national parks. All that has happened is they are now over grown and a hugh fire hazard and is over run by wild dogs and pigs.

    All this land is now being used as collateral to borrow from over seas banks and China.

    In queesnalnd the Prime minister of Australia when he worked years ago for the Qld, goverment wrote up new laws that all land in this state and will happen in other states
    is owned by the qld, goverment even your own home that you have bought and paid of for with ripp of conditions set by the banks

    Look at the site www. brigalow corporation.com on Google and read the acts there.even the govener of qld is now not working for the queen by is a public servant of the state of Qld.

    So how can the govener dismiss the goverment for fraud and treason when their wages are paid for by the said Qld goverment. SHOCK HORRER

    EVEN the title deeds no longer have the queens crown on it. They can take it when ever they choose for whatever reason,, This is no longer Australia the Lucky country

    The local premier of the state is selling off everything she can lay her hands on and will i dare day go to Asian buyers, the overhead power lines, the docks, the state forrests, the railway rolling stock even the railway lines, the power stations, the water rights the dams, everything the road tolls,

    Ther Qld goverment has set up a new payment system useing who else but IBM the wonderful company that did business with the gestapo in WW2, and now working in with Veri cHIP TO HAVE ALL us PEOPLE CHIPPED, FOR YOUR OWN PROTECTION OF COURSE, OH WHERE WAS I .

    The public hospital systems new pay system is a complete stuff up thanks to IBM and wait for it over 3-4000 workers at thye states hospitals including docters have not had any pay in up to now 9-10 weeks. We use to laugh about Russians not being paid for months well we have it here, some has 1 cent put into their accounts, some have lost their cars repossessed, evicted out of their homes bad credit rateings due to non payment

    All the premier says will be sorted out have a little bit o f patience as she jetted off First class over seas . yes folks many east europeans are seeing what reminds them happened in 1956 and 1963, and are selling up and heading back.

    the premier s great great great great garndfather was Captain Bligh of the Munity of the Bounty if he acted like this bitch no wonder they threw him over board,I man thousands protested they did not want flouride in the water supply in europe has been banned as unafe for many years she still over rode the wishes of the people and had it put in except it is 10 times the level that is condsidered safe

    These people forget that it was the people who put them in there but i hope someone in goverment will enjoy their 30 pieces of silver

    wer have 250,000 people in Au sleeping on the streets at night and due to gutless decisions by federal goverment we have the masses illegal decending on Au in old boats, so many that some have to be put up at motels at A$500 a night for the family and $500 a week spending money to go and waste on at supermarkets chips and coke and shit

    charity begins at home

    So many chinese now buying up property and at auction they will bid A$100,000 more just to keep australians from buying and causing prices to skyrocket up so much that aussies cant afford to buy in that area only chinese , i wonder how we would go doing that in China.

    all our big industries are finished if they arent they are bought by overseas companys that pay their tax off shore all nic e and legal in a low tax zone. leaving the workers to carrey the burden

    is this a form of Communism , you bet cha

    many are disgusted by this federal govermenbts actions and state and local councils all are treasonable,,a trail by jury is now in australia not allways given laws changed.

    it is a sad world we live in the greed of a few that helps make the misery of millions
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    • Uncle Fuzzy says:

      Stop paying taxes. We’re all funding the bastards, so they can take away our rights, our homes and possibly our lives. Get to know your neighbors and trade with them directly. #%&$ Walmart and all the giant box stores, we’re selling ourselves out by shopping in these places. Buy you food locally support a farmer. Pay him cash or trade. Leave out the middle man. They’re raping us all.

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